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September 23, 2004
The Baby Thing part 3

While responding to a comment about this whole baby thing posted by New Kid in the Hallway over at Dr.Karen's blog, it reminded me of a piece in the NYTimes a couple years ago about women in academia having babies and the discrimination they deal with because of it versus men in academia who have kids. I do believe this happens and do not agree with capable women being treated poorly simply because they have children. Although, I think this is much more a result of your good old-fashioned sexism, not an anti-baby sentiment. In any case, I uploaded the text file here:

The Baby Bias

CheekyProf • 09:46 AM
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Hello Cheeky!

First, I wanted to thank you for visiting my blog and for commenting. I too think that "W" needs to be voted out for the sake of our nation. The "No Child is Left Behind" act he has for K-12 education is decimating our public schools... and many, many very good teachers are having to scramble around and waste time fullfilling NCLB nonsense to keep their jobs instead of further enriching their classrooms. In terms of college/university education, not only has "W" wreaked havoc in the granting agencies, but his well-known disdain for higher education and the employees of higher education has made us targets for sure.

I have greatly enjoyed your blog, and even though I should have asked first, I have added your blog to my list of valuable blogs to visit. If you do not wish for me to list your blog on my site, please let me know and I of course will remove it promptly.

Thanks again!

PipeTobacco

comment by PipeTobacco at 10:21 AM on 09.23.04

Pipe Tobacco- Welcome and thanks for the compliment! No problem with the linking, after, you're linked from my site as well. :-)
CP

comment by Cheeky Prof at 11:51 AM on 09.23.04

Someone help me out here.... I KNOW there was an article in the Chronicle of Higher Ed, some time in the past year, that focused on implications of parenthood for tenure.. and they cited some stat about the diff between the % of tenured me with children v. the % of tenured women with children... I remember the #s were even more dramatically different than i expected, but cant find the damn article.... maybe that wasnt Cof HE?? anybody?? anybody??

comment by DrKaren at 01:33 PM on 09.23.04

Anyone?... Anyone?... Bueller?... Bueller?...

Dr. K, there are stats of this nature from a UC-Berkeley study in this NYTimes article (although I don't know if they're the same ones to which you're referring.)

comment by Cheeky Prof at 03:12 PM on 09.23.04

Actually, yeah, it was along those same lines (though I swear the #s in the other article were even more discrepant), but the article itself also addressed other variables that predicted greater tenure success rates for men v. women, and there was a companion piece related to having kids pre-tenure and "surviving."

I'll find it eventually...........

comment by Dr.Karen at 03:13 PM on 09.23.04

Just read the NYT piece you posted.

One of the things that always strikes me as needing further discussion comes up in the 9th paragraph of that piece, where it mentions that there are more male parents in those jobs than female parents. I'm always left wondering why it is that female academic parents don't take a page from the male academic parent playbook and do whatever it is that the men are doing to keep their kids from getting in the way of their jobs.

Similarly, I wonder about the 3rd to last paragraph (not counting the correction): why do women need to choose between babies and jobs when men don't.

(Of course it's easy to mull over these issues from where I sit, as I have zero interest in babies.)

comment by Rudbeckia Hirta at 07:26 PM on 09.24.04